Re: [閒聊] 騰雲似乎沒有要解散？

看板RockMetal (金屬音樂板)作者brownbear (凱倫棕熊)時間17年前 (2008/05/20 00:33)推噓15(15推 0噓 9→)

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※ 引述《hunk124 (金屬之子得永生)》之銘言： : 小弟在某論壇上爬到的騰雲新一篇聲明嗎？ : http://strato.jens.org/stratovarius-statement-2008-05.php : 有人可以翻譯嗎？ : ＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝ : Teksti suomeksi / Petri Silas, Soundi : Tolkki's main motivation was greed : Timo Tolkki published a statement? on on April 2 this year. The other members : of Stratovarius would now like to set the record straight. You can't argue : with someone's perception of things, you can just explain how you see things : differently. 今年的4月2日 Timo Tokki 公開發表聲明? 那騰雲其他的團員就打開天窗說亮話了你無法對別人的觀點爭論你只能解釋你對事情不同的看法 : The confrontations, fights, incompetence, tensions, negativity, bitterness, : hostility, disinterest, bad musicianship, and unfriendliness that Timo : described were never there. He constructed this alternate reality around : these simple and for him painful facts: 所有 Timo說的那些爭吵負面不友善的狀況並不存在 (os:形容詞太多不詳翻都是類似的負面事情 ) 他把所謂的實際狀況建立在以下這些非常簡單但對他來說是很痛苦的事實上 : 1) The band's momentum has been slowing since 2004. 1 樂團的進度從2004以來就一直落後 : 2) The media chaos of 2004 made him lose a lot of trust and respect both : within and outside the band. 2 2004 媒體方面的混亂 ( os: 不太知道是指什麼可能是負面的報導或是無法取信媒體之類) 讓他失去了許多樂團內與樂團外的信任跟尊重 : 3) Stratovarius' label Sanctuary had severe financial problems from 2005 on. : It forced us to start a legal process at the beginning of 2007. : If you live your life through other people's eyes, declining sales or a : perceived loss of power are matters of deep, stinging personal humiliation. : Other sad facts remain. The legal fight left us without a way to make a new : album, and financially strapped. Timo's main motivation for what he did was : greed, not issues of friendship or art. 騰雲的唱片公司 Sanctury 自2005就遭遇了很大的財務危機這迫使我們在2007年開始了一些法律程序如果你是藉由別人的眼光來過生活那麼銷售遞減失去權力等等對你來說便會是非常大的傷害禍不單行法律訴訟讓我們失去了發行新專輯的管道也帶來財務上的危機 Timo所做所為主要的動機是貪婪並非為了什麼狗譬友情或是藝術 (os:狗譬是我自己加的) : In the summer of 2007, he presented the Stratovarius/ Revolution Renaissance : demos we had all financed and recorded to Frontiers Records, and signed a : recording agreement for a solo project. Unbelievably, he promised Frontiers : that he alone could (and would) stop Stratovarius from being active for the : duration of the R.R. project, for marketing reasons. In exchange for this, : Timo alone was paid 154,000 US dollars. 2007年夏他發表了騰雲/文藝復興錄製並簽給 Frontiers Records的demos 並簽了一份solo專輯的錄製合約跌破眼鏡的是他答應Frontiers 基於文藝復興的市場考量他自己可以也將會停止騰雲的活動而交換條件就是對方付Timo個人 154,000 美金 : He did this behind our backs, as we were deep in pursuit of Sanctuary legally : with a large legal bill. He still hasn't had the guts to tell us what he did. : We pieced it together from various press releases of his and scattered email : correspondence. 他背著我們幹這些勾當 (os:比較激動的說起來是這樣) 當我們還在苦籌因為Sanctuary 的這一大錢的時候他還是沒種告訴我們他幹了什麼事是我們從他不同的媒體發言中及片片斷斷的email聯繫中聯合發現這件事的 : In October he sent us a mail saying he didn't want to continue, a quite : impersonal way after having been in the same band for 12 years. He explained : that he was tired of Stratovarius, and would concentrate on things like his : opera. We had known for some time he really hated playing live. 十月時他寄信給我們每個人說他不想再玩了在我們同一團12年的情份下他就以這樣一個不怎麼夠朋友的方式閃人了他說明這是因為他已厭倦了騰雲而且將會把重心放在別的事物上比如他的歌劇我們對於他討厭現場表演這件事也已知道一段時日 : He did not mention anything about his Frontiers deal, which placed the rest : of us at great financial risk. He very clearly asked that we wouldn't contact : him and try to talk him out of it, which we all respected. He would later : make much of the fact that nobody tried to talk him out of it. 他並沒有提起任何關於他和Frontiers之間的事這將我們其他人致於一個非常大的財務風險他非常明白要我們不要聯絡他也不要找他請他把事情說清楚而我們也非常尊重這一點他說他稍候會做說明但並沒有人要他這樣做 : This year, Sanctuary agreed to settle, but Timo's announcement and Timo's : announcement alone ruined that, leaving us with a debt of 54,000 US dollars. : The total loss is around 346,000 US dollars. There was no reason for the : timing of his announcement other than some foolish belief it would make the : promotion of Timo's project record a bit easier. What he did to the rest of : us was stupid, selfish and more than disappointing to us since we all stood : shoulder to shoulder with him financially in 2004. 今年Sanctury 願意穩定下來 (os:可能是指該公司有比較穩定不是很懂) 但單單Timo 這一篇聲明就完全毀了一切而且留給我們54,000美元的債務 ( 2008/5/20補充: 今天我查了一下settle這字有解決紛爭的意思所以也有可能是指和解 ) 損失總金額大約346,000美金這跟聲明發表的時間點以及這對Timo的個人專輯宣傳一點關係都沒有他所做對我們其他人來說就是蠢自私而且不只是只有失望而已因為我們從2004 就與他一起並肩作戰 : Then late January, surprisingly, he proposed us playing as hired guns on R.R. : (turning it into a Stratovarius record), and doing a tour with Jari on bass. : Apparently he again had financial problems due to his failed opera project. : He then quickly dismissed the idea himself. 一月末出人意料的他請求我們擔任文藝復興的客座樂手 (那不就回到跟騰雲一樣) 並且巡迴日本 Jari擔任bass 很明顯地他失敗的歌劇作品讓他有了財務危機所以他就馬上收回自己的主意 : In short it's not so much a story of simmering discontent leading to a wise : and respectable decision. It's definitely not a story of naivit? It's the : story of Faust, the story of madness, of a band's natural and slow decline, : but in the end something mundane: the story of a supreme narcissist going : broke and betraying friends of 12 years who helped save him a few years : earlier. 簡言之這不是個導向什麼明智且令人尊重的決定這難道不是小說家的作品嗎? 這根本就是浮士德 (os: 把靈魂賣給惡魔然後得到才華名聲的故事) 是一個樂團的瘋狂自然而緩慢的消退但是結局有些不同這是個完全的自戀狂破產跟背判12年朋友的故事而且這些朋友早些年還曾經幫忙過他 : Hopefully this explains the situation a little bit. Sorry if it is long on : business crap, and short on humor or music. This was a terrible, : disappointing blow to us. 希望這瞭解狀況有點幫助很抱歉如果這只是一篇關於商業無關幽默或是音樂的廢話這就是我們之間糟糕又令人失望的事情 : We would like to thank our fans who make it all worth it, and despite it all, : we would like to thank Timo for the past, the nice music and the good : moments. 我們要感謝讓這一切都值得的樂迷們不管如何也要謝謝和Timo一起有過的過往時光美好音樂以及美好時刻 : The rest of us want to make clear that we are doing great and that we will : continue making music together, because we care about each other and we care : about our fans. We have grand plans indeed, and we will have some very : interesting news in the months ahead! : -TK JM JJ LP : the remaining members of Stratovarius 我們其他人要表明我們過得很好而且會繼續一起做音樂因為我們在乎彼此還有我們的樂迷我們的確有遠大的計劃不久的將來也會有非常有趣的消息的 TK JM JJ LP ( os:..... 縮寫起來怎麼都有點好笑...對不起這種時候不該搞笑) 騰雲其他繼續著的團員們 --- 沒有詳查大概翻一下若有錯或不通順請不吝指正手很痠 ~~~~ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 59.112.82.105

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