[轉錄][新聞] Joe Satriani控告Coldplay抄襲

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鄉民有推合體版 組合~~~~~~~!!! http://kuso.cc/44Ph ※ [本文轉錄自 Gossiping 看板] 作者: I8DGC (竹科男只能OGC) 看板: Gossiping 標題: [轉錄]Re: [新聞] Joe Satriani控告Coldplay抄襲 時間: Tue Dec 9 18:31:42 2008 ※ [本文轉錄自 guitar 看板] 作者: flymyfinger (飛我指) 看板: guitar 標題: Re: [新聞] Joe Satriani控告Coldplay抄襲 時間: Tue Dec 9 00:33:34 2008 ※ 引述《lordlpg (M)》之銘言: : 作者: lordlpg (M) 看板: Coldplay : 標題: [新聞] Joe Satriani Accuses Coldplay Of Plagiarism : 時間: Fri Dec 5 15:44:28 2008 : Guitarist accuses Coldplay of plagiarism : Fri Dec 5, 2008 2:00am EST Speaking exclusively to MusicRadar on 6 December, Joe Satriani recalls the exact emotion he felt when he first heard Coldplay's Viva La Vida. Joe Satriani在12月6日接受MusicRadar的專訪且回想起當他第一次聽到冷玩的 Viva La Vida心裡最直接的感受 "The second I heard, I knew..." 當我聽到這首歌,我知道... "I felt like a dagger went right through my heart. It hurt so much," Satriani says. "The second I heard it, I knew it was [my own] If I Could Fly." "這感覺就像是拿一把匕首直刺入我的心臟,讓我很心痛。"Satriani表示。"當我聽到這 首歌時,我知道這是我的If I Could Fly。" As it turned out, Satriani wasn't the only one who noticed the similarity between If I Could Fly and Viva La Vida. 結果,並不是只有Satriani發現If I Could Fly 和 Viva La Vida 的相似。 "Almost immediately, from the minute their song came out, my e-mail box flooded with people going, 'Have you heard this song by Coldplay? They ripped you off man.' I mean, I couldn't tell you how many e-mails I received. "當Viva La Vida一播送時,我的EMAILBOX馬上就收到潮水般來地信件。'你有聽過冷玩的 那首歌嗎?他們的抄你的作品!! '而且這類信件我數都數不清。 "Everybody noticed the similarities between the songs. It's pretty obvious. It's as simple as that - when you listen to a song and you say, 'Wow, that's a real rip-off.'" "每個人都能查覺出這兩首歌的相似,這實在是太明顯了!!當你聽到這首歌接著你就會說 科科,這是抄襲吧!!─就是這麼簡單。" What makes the situation especially painful for Satriani is that If I Could Fly isn't just any song. It's a composition he'd been laboring over for well over 10 years before he recorded it. 更讓Satriani感到相當心痛的是這首If I Could Fly對他意義重大,這首歌在錄製完成 前花了他超過十年的心血。 "I started writing it on the Flying In A Blue Dream tour back in 1990. But because of the way I write, sometimes songs take a while, as this one did. In 2003 I started demoing it in earnest. I played it on the acoustic guitar on a demo so I could sing the melody, then I demoed it on electric to get the sound. And the performance turned out to be so spontaneous, so right and so emotional, that it wound up being a keeper." 當我在1990結束Flying In A Blue Dream 的巡迴演出後便開始寫這首歌,而且我寫歌都 慢慢來,所以一直到2003我才開始認真地作這首歌"If I Could Fly"的DEMO。我先用木 吉他做背景在唱出它的旋律,接著再用電吉他彈奏出旋律。所以我的表演會這麼的自然、 正確和感人,這些努力可能就是關鍵。 Satriani feels "really hurt" Satriani傷得不輕 Since If I Could Fly came out in 2004, Satriani has been gratified by the reaction it's received from his fans, many of whom have called it one of his most captivating songs. 自從 If I Could Fly 在2004發行以來,樂迷都稱這首歌為他作品中最迷人的歌曲,而 Satriani也對此感到相當的滿意。 "That was the intent all along," he says. "It was a love letter to my wife, Rubina – a simple, direct expression of feeling. "事情是這樣子的。"他表示"這是給我老婆RUBINA的一封情書─感覺就是很簡單和直接" "That's what really hurts about this whole thing. That I spent so long writing the song, thinking about it, loving it, nursing it, and then finally recording it and standing on stages the world over playing it - and then somebody comes along and plays the exact same song and calls it their own." "這真的搞砸了所有事。我花了這麼久時間寫這首歌、構思它、愛它、養育它然後錄製它 ,最後站在世界的舞臺彈奏這首歌,可是現在卻有人跳出來,演唱這首歌曲而且還宣稱 這首歌是他們的作品!!" Since it was announced on 4 December 2008 that Satriani is suing Coldplay for alleged plagiarism, seeking a jury trial and "any and all profits" connected to Viva La Vida, his life has been turned upside down. 自從2008年12月4號以來,Satriani一直對冷玩提出剽竊指控並尋求對簿公堂和 Viva La Vida的所有獲利,這件事把Satriani的生活搞的一團糟。 "This has been the weirdest thing I've ever been involved in," he says. "The media attention has been bizarre and surreal. I really can't explain how I've felt over the past day or two." "這可能是我捲入過的事中最詭異的一件。"Satriani表示"媒體把整件事炒得很誇張, 我真的很難解釋我這一兩天的感受" "I did everything I could to avoid a court case" "我儘可能地避開法院這條途徑" Satriani stresses that his motives are ruled by artistic purity and an overriding sense of right and wrong. Satriani強調他的動機是出於音樂人的良知及最主要為是非的觀念。 "Everybody's assumes I'm trying to go after these guys in Coldplay, as if I'm doing this with malice," he says "That's the furthest thing from my mind. I'm just doing what I need to do as an artist, to protect what's mine, to protect those feelings I put down in song. " 所有人都在想說我可能是故意想給冷玩一些顏射瞧瞧" Satriani表示"我完全沒這麼想 過,我只是做了一個音樂人應該做的事,保護屬於我的東西還有那首歌我所傾入的情感" "I did everything I could to avoid a court case with this situation. But Coldplay didn't want to talk about it. They just wanted this whole thing to go away. Maybe they figured this little guitar player guy will leave them alone after a while, I don't know. "在這種情況下我儘可能地避開法律途徑,但冷玩不想跟我談談,他們可能是想讓這件事 無疾而終,可能他們認為過了一段時間後這個只會彈吉他的小人物不會再來煩他們,我 也不是很清楚" "But we're talking about a piece of art that I created, and that's something I feel is important. I think everybody should feel that way." "但是我認為我們討論的是一件我創造出來的藝術作品,而且對我而言這很重要,我認為 每個人都應該會這樣覺得。" And now, Satriani's team will ask a jury to decide. 現在,Satriani的團隊可能會把整件交由陪審團決定。 http://0rz.tw/e85cA 啊第一次翻 錯誤可能會有點多 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.167.69.95

12/09 00:38,
the second I heard 不是這樣翻的..
12/09 00:38

12/09 00:40,
啊真不號意思 我把以為後面有TIME
12/09 00:40

12/09 00:40,
應該是當我聽到的瞬間
12/09 00:40

12/09 00:40,
不過還是辛苦了 :)
12/09 00:40

12/09 00:41,
zepplin這樣的大咖也賠啦,只能說自已小心
12/09 00:41

12/09 00:42,
Led zeppelin
12/09 00:42

12/09 00:46,
Satch 加油!!
12/09 00:46

12/09 01:28,
謝謝翻譯
12/09 01:28

12/09 01:47,
我個人很喜歡JOE 但是我覺得幾個小節雷同是很常發生的事
12/09 01:47

12/09 01:53,
如果可以的話我滿想知道JOE認為哪些部份有涉及到抄襲
12/09 01:53

12/09 02:08,
再聽了一次 其實只有前三個音"一模一樣" 後面轉折的音有些許
12/09 02:08

12/09 02:09,
不同 我真的覺得光頭老太大驚小怪了
12/09 02:09

12/09 03:59,
所有人都在想說我可能是故意想給冷玩一些"顏射"瞧瞧!!!
12/09 03:59
※ 編輯: flymyfinger 來自: 118.167.69.95 (12/09 04:15)

12/09 06:16,
K大 那首歌也才幾個小節 光頭是演奏曲 當然不可能全抄
12/09 06:16

12/09 06:17,
而且連木吉他都直接上 太誇張了 光頭加油
12/09 06:17

12/09 08:30,
我聽過比較之後,真的太相似了,整首歌的重心就在一樣的小
12/09 08:30

12/09 08:31,
節,如果是說陪襯或修飾一點的樂句還沒差,但直接拿來作..
12/09 08:31

12/09 08:32,
真的只有三個音嗎??
12/09 08:32

12/09 08:40,
超級大咖的小人物
12/09 08:40

12/09 08:51,
有些許不同就不算抄襲嗎= = 他們連中間休息的點都一樣
12/09 08:51

12/09 09:36,
那我彈PGilbert的歌不能像他彈那麼乾淨~也算我自創曲?
12/09 09:36

12/09 10:14,
這時候就不能不推合體了 http://kuso.cc/44Ph
12/09 10:14

12/09 10:52,
合體版超有趣阿 哈哈
12/09 10:52

12/09 11:41,
聽了合體版真的很合 一個背景音樂 一個在唱 XD
12/09 11:41

12/09 11:55,
只能說每個人對創作和抄襲的認知不同 的確是真的很像
12/09 11:55

12/09 11:57,
但是這樣類似的情形真的很容發生 是否是抄襲只有CP自己知道
12/09 11:57

12/09 11:57,
或許他們真的是自己創作的呢 那不就冤枉好人了?
12/09 11:57

12/09 12:22,
CP他們不想談這件事 不知到底是心裡有鬼還是身上有屎
12/09 12:22

12/09 12:35,
http://0rz.tw/d758I 上面t大連結可連到的完整版合體
12/09 12:35

12/09 12:36,
創作相似到連整首歌的編排方式都一樣? 如果coldplay
12/09 12:36

12/09 12:36,
真是自己創作, 那他們是衰到爆吧
12/09 12:36

12/09 12:49,
如果自己創作剛好相似度太高還是要徹下架並且出來說明吧
12/09 12:49

12/09 12:50,
你做的論文或專利如果別人比你早做出來注冊了~
12/09 12:50

12/09 12:51,
一樣要徹下來並禮冒性的道歉
12/09 12:51

12/09 12:52,
沒有什麼冤不冤枉的問題~重點是誠意如何而已
12/09 12:52

12/09 14:22,
樓上的論點中肯 不過真的有像...
12/09 14:22

12/09 15:53,
JOE應該是賭爛冷玩的態度吧?!
12/09 15:53

12/09 16:53,
其實那個連結之前人家就有貼了 我只是翻出來而已 囧mm
12/09 16:53

12/09 17:09,
乾脆酷玩演唱會請光頭當嘉賓幫它們彈這首歌不就好了
12/09 17:09

12/09 17:16,
Coldplay這下囧了 兩首歌真的超像
12/09 17:16
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12/09 18:32,
抄襲沒什麼
12/09 18:32

12/09 18:35,
想給冷玩一些顏射瞧瞧 英國翻譯?
12/09 18:35

12/09 18:35,
看你敢不敢
12/09 18:35
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12/09 19:48, , 1F
這篇竟然會被轉到八卦板 XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
12/09 19:48, 1F

12/09 19:57, , 2F
合體版真的不錯聽
12/09 19:57, 2F

12/09 20:22, , 3F
之前來台有給他簽名跟握手 很親切
12/09 20:22, 3F

12/09 20:30, , 4F
噗~兩首都聽過~竟然沒發現~囧(可見不熟XD)
12/09 20:30, 4F

12/10 00:09, , 5F
第一次聽.....好好聽壓...好美的旋律...酷玩囧了
12/10 00:09, 5F

12/10 00:14, , 6F
要是這件是真的的話...冷玩不用混了....
12/10 00:14, 6F

12/10 02:02, , 7F
12/10 02:02, 7F

12/10 19:07, , 8F
乾脆用合體版發一張共同ep,收入全部歸Joe好了
12/10 19:07, 8F

12/10 19:07, , 9F
合體版真的蠻好聽的
12/10 19:07, 9F

12/10 20:07, , 10F
以下是光頭的怒吼 : 這歌從我還有頭髮的時候就譜出來了
12/10 20:07, 10F

12/10 22:05, , 11F
合體超棒 XD
12/10 22:05, 11F

12/14 23:12, , 12F
合體版被EMI警告刪掉了 真糟
12/14 23:12, 12F

12/16 09:30, , 13F
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