[心得] 暁婷小分析(更新)

看板the_L_word (拉子/女女/泛同志影音)作者 (one day more)時間11年前 (2014/06/18 13:39), 11年前編輯推噓44(44073)
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This analysis follows the previous theoretical discourse on the analysis discussing the character Siyao, with the character Xiaoting as the focus. The wavering character setting of Xiaoting featured in Set, especially in the past few days, has caused quite a few disputes online. This analysis argues that Xiaoting has, from the perspective of psychoanalysis, undergone a subjectification that eventually leads her to adopt a pervert gesture toward the other, in other words, directly posit herself as the object of jouissance of the other. Before I begin the analysis, however, there are two clarifications I would like to make. 1) psychoanalysis is a theoretical discourse that is explanatory instead of argumentative, least universal. The charges that psychoanalysis is an all inclusive tool of explanation ignore that fact that all theoretical discourses endeavor to explain and understand the aspects of human beings and the world one way or another. 2) I have written on the unreliability of the multiple narratives of Taiwanese local melodrama and especially emphasized the subversiveness of Set’s strategy of shooting and casting at the same time. The introduction of performance theories before the character analysis comes with specific intention: to remind the readers that my analysis remains limited to the episodes cast so far and the analysis by no means purports to build a consistent discourse on a character that is by the nature of the genre shifting all the time. Any attempt to pinpoint the character as such is to compromise the subversive elements of local melodrama. A pervert subject may sound badly, a consequence of common misusage of the term. In the theoretical framework of Lacan/Zizek, a pervert refers to a subject who claims direct access to the other and the other’s jouissance by positing him/herself as the object of jouissance. The term jouissance, in simplified words, means pleasure in pain. In an ordinary subject-other relationship an object mediates between the subject and the other, as the other and its desire is both desirable and terrifying. (Please refer to my previous analysis on the maternal other, and consult castration complex online.) A pervert deposits him/herself as the object of the other’s desire, jouissance. Jouissance, in simplified words, means pleasure in pain. Hence the pervert puts him/herself in a pleasurably painful situation to fulfill the other’s desire and by doing so to fulfill his or her own sense of subjectivity. The psychoanalytic subject, it must be pointed out, fundamentally lacks. During the subject formation the infant firstly cedes its own love object, and then the infant cedes the maternal other in favor of the symbolic father. The lacking subject forever mulls over the other’s desire and needs a love object, which due to the nature of ceding, is both painful both retrospectively pleasurable. The above theoretical framework explains Xiaoting’s irrational acts to follow Siyao’s demand to marry only to shortly regret. Similar situations occur again and in recent episodes, further demonstrating that Xiaoting, in the face of the symbolic order represented by the two families and her real other, Syiao, in a sense enjoys jouissance. Again, the above analysis does not try to exclude any other explanation, let alone to provide a consistent rationalization. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 219.87.3.30 ※ 文章網址: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/the_L_word/M.1403069991.A.6FA.html

06/18 13:42, , 1F
頭推??
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06/18 13:42, , 2F
崩潰 怎麼辦 看不懂
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06/18 13:45, , 3F
一定是我打開ptt的方式不對XD
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06/18 13:46, , 4F
大家...我現在在哪...?
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06/18 13:46, , 5F
英文阿(眼神死)
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06/18 13:48, , 6F
又英文阿....先pass
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06/18 13:48, , 7F
我英文不好啦…
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06/18 13:49, , 8F
愣呆中.....不懂還是推
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06/18 13:53, , 9F
先推再努力!
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06/18 13:53, , 10F
con大文采風流、分析精彩,讓人看得神清氣爽、突破盲腸,來
06/18 13:53, 10F

06/18 13:53, , 11F
我來給你個推
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06/18 13:59, , 12F
求野生翻譯君
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06/18 14:01, , 13F
大家好有才啊!我看不懂~
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06/18 14:03, , 14F
有比上一篇好理解,但要加入討論就還是讓專業的來吧!XD
06/18 14:03, 14F

06/18 14:03, , 15F
也以為是打開ptt的方式不對XD
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06/18 14:05, , 16F
趕快推~不然人家會說你看不懂!
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06/18 14:07, , 17F
語言阿(茶
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06/18 14:15, , 18F
英文?哈哈哈哈哈...
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06/18 14:22, , 19F
@@一定是我打開ptt的方式不對XD
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06/18 14:42, , 20F
請板大來翻譯好惹
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06/18 14:44, , 21F
這是要我們看瑤婷也要認真學英文嗎?有請Avi老師 XD
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06/18 15:03, , 22F
一定是打開的方式不對!!xd
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06/18 15:10, , 23F
這啥....我看到英文字母阿崩潰
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06/18 15:13, , 24F
抓到高中生又上課偷推文 XD
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06/18 15:16, , 25F
我猜原po比較喜歡思瑤...嗎?
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06/18 15:18, , 26F
這篇比較好懂,原po已經白話很多而且幫忙換句話說了
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06/18 15:19, , 27F
自毀自虐來履行對方的慾望嗎,嗯....
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06/18 15:23, , 28F
只能推
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06/18 15:25, , 29F
我贊成自毀部份,但我總覺得成因更複雜
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06/18 15:26, , 30F
吼 . . 板大帶入個人觀感囉..XDD
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06/18 15:27, , 31F
我一直想找幼時瀕死經驗影響的文獻
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06/18 15:29, , 32F
荔枝你多想了,我只是認為原po分析思瑤更入理且有血肉
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06/18 15:29, , 33F
我是很想翻譯方便討論,但用手機很難搞
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06/18 15:30, , 34F
板大西類啦.. 我也是這麼覺得!
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06/18 15:31, , 35F
簡單來說就是曉婷痛並快樂著的順從思瑤的愛嗎?
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06/18 15:34, , 36F
推版大 可能思瑤的角色比較立體 對她的分析都相對的清晰
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06/18 15:34, , 37F
豐富
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06/18 15:34, , 38F
以我自己讀完後的理解,就是超級抖M
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06/18 15:35, , 39F
我覺得瑤婷都很立體,只是思瑤比較外顯而已
06/18 15:35, 39F
還有 40 則推文
06/18 19:53, , 80F
她的配合也可以讓天公伯跳過她只管外部要素
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06/18 19:53, , 81F
而曉婷人生中最能彰顯自我的那段歲月
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06/18 19:53, , 82F
就是一心一意想殺掉偉哲並且想隨思瑤而去的時期
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這也是曉婷自毀傾向最強烈最外顯的時刻....
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06/18 19:53, , 84F
這回非洲意外在外部強力介入下,曉婷終於沒有重蹈覆轍
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某種層面上也是靠交出自我來換取延續生命的時間
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06/18 19:53, , 86F
這次讓自己成為Pervert卡進一段兩難的婚姻,也是一樣意思
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06/18 19:53, , 87F
否則往極端的方向走,曉婷非常有成為恐怖情人的資質
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06/18 19:53, , 88F
結婚當晚跑去堵思瑤還算是最輕微的病態表現了
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最壞可能就是殺了思瑤再自殺這種崩壞結局
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06/18 19:53, , 90F
現在的曉婷儘管看起來很分裂,但我想還不到歪的地步
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06/18 19:53, , 91F
只要曉婷能夠跳脫既有的生存模式並且健康的尋求解套
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這個中二之亂才能有個真真正正的結束
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06/18 19:53, , 93F
以上只是個人淺見啦,就看接下來天公伯要怎麼銃康了(攤手
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06/18 20:21, , 94F
就算是所謂恐怖情人,曉婷怎樣都不可能殺自己愛的人
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06/18 20:41, , 95F
因為他的負向力量只會向內不會向外,最多殺自己
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06/18 21:15, , 96F
啊~又英文..雖然很白話了..看嘸透啦XD
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06/18 21:18, , 97F
若以享樂原則(pleasure principle)為引,確實能解說何以
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06/18 21:23, , 98F
Young Adulthood階段的曉婷,盡是"主我(the id)"本色,要到
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06/18 21:24, , 99F
現在才有"社會化"現象..亦或是願意被社會化
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06/18 21:32, , 100F
pleasure principle?
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06/18 21:33, , 101F
還有 我認為曉婷大概是戲裡最不需要同臉人劇情的角色
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06/18 21:44, , 102F
Persona :從思婷死訊開始~建廷婚後
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06/18 21:46, , 103F
HIGH大的榮先生終於要出現了嗎(期待ing)
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06/18 21:51, , 104F
pleasure principle :越是限制享受,越是逾越,越是快樂
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06/18 21:54, , 105F
板大~我跟榮先生不太熟XD..
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原PO在此先跪主機板...抱歉再度造成大家困擾 但我真的無法用中文寫理論 我已經很努力寫的很直白了 (淚奔) 以下抱歉要繼續荼毒大家... (回去跪主機板) The characterization/subjectification of Xiaoting did not take place until she set the trap for Weije in the hotel. She remained a flat character before that episode from the viewpoint of performance studies, and in an infantile stage from the perspective of psychoanalysis. To be more specific, the character Xiaoting is still during subject formation in current episodes and highly flexible. Her stubbornness for love, no matter for Weije or Siyao, can be loosely regarded as an infantile attachment to the other that supports her ego ideal, an individual that has no other regards but for love. Her setting trap for Weije marks her first ceding, her giving up of part of self for the other, while her giving birth of the twins marks her entrance of symbolic order as a mother who must bear the social responsibility. In other words, Xiaoting’s attachment to Siyao belongs to the dimension of the real, while her symbolic obligation forces her to choose “the one I don’t want to name at all.” She is in this sense a split subject as well. Xiaoting’s acts, in my opinion, is far beyond pleasure principle, but driven by her drive, or joussiance that is the other’s jouissance as well. The other in this case concerns not only Siyao but the symbolic order, the society represented by the Sun and the Shieh families. ※ 編輯: concious (114.43.167.126), 06/18/2014 22:42:20

06/18 21:59, , 106F
能不能怎麼說: 我認為曉婷是沒有完成"自我"(the ego)
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06/18 22:00, , 107F
是啊,所以說很殘忍的講法,empty me
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06/18 22:04, , 108F
但是她的individuation...卻又如此協調..
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06/18 22:15, , 109F
然後 大寶當上心理醫師了XD
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※ 編輯: concious (114.43.167.126), 06/18/2014 22:47:21

06/19 00:16, , 110F
榮先生是榮格嗎?? -->裝懂 XDDD
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06/19 08:32, , 111F
昨晚寫寫忘記回應co大 妳說的pervert比較是病理學上的
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06/19 08:33, , 112F
我則是指一種被欲力(drive)所推動的模式而已
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06/19 08:35, , 113F
至於昨晚的劇情和讓人想雜電視的預告...我想都可以指出
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06/19 08:36, , 114F
暁婷的主體化過程正在成型
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06/19 11:40, , 115F
這個co應該是我吧?我只是個班門弄斧的路人不用對我太認真XD
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06/19 11:41, , 116F
昨晚我不想砸電視反而還很開心耶,最少曉婷會想逃了
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06/19 15:46, , 117F
我打開這篇文章的方式ㄧ定不對!!
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