[心得] 本土劇的顛覆性+思瑤小分析

看板the_L_word (拉子/女女/泛同志影音)作者 (one day more)時間11年前 (2014/06/15 15:01), 編輯推噓62(620131)
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A Short Analysis on Taiwanese Local Melodrama Siyao+Xiaoting The queer couple Siyao and Xiaoting currently featured in the Taiwanese Set TV series provides us with an alternative conceptualization to perceive the long dismissed genre of local melodrama that challenges the hegemony of the Enlightenment realism, and a glimpse of the formation of the self-alienation that results in a paradoxical narcissistic subject who cedes the object of love to the other as a defense mechanism. This short analysis will lead through the theoretical discourses with a psychoanalytical slant. The aim of this analysis lies in the query of the tandem between the unreliability of the narrative and the agency of such an unreliable narrative. The subversive elements of local melodrama Without much introduction to the Enlightenment project, its ideology, and realism which follow its suits, I prefer to point out the pitfalls of realism. 1) the omnipresent, omnipotent narrator presupposes a viewpoint that is above all human beings and implies a moral high point that could be assumed by the reader/viewer. 2) the plot which must be rational, or in other words explainable, tends to ignore the antagonism of individual/cultural/social/political dimensions in real life. 3) the characterization of round vs. flat character with an overwhelming emphasis on the round character, though in a sense does pay attention to the human depth, more often than not stereotypes character and consequently compromises human complexity such as weakness and darkness. 4) the linear temporality preferred in realism ignores that human perception of time never coincides with the scientifically flowing time. Rather human experience of time of encounters a frozen or even regression of time that cannot be accounted of be the linearity. I would like to point out that the multiple narratives adopted by Taiwanese local melodrama is extreme progressive in a sense because this fundamentally challenged the omnipresence and the omnipotence of the narrator. With multiple narratives which could testify or contradict each other, there no longer exists a single point of view and a highest moral stand. The strategy of Set, I would like to further point out, of simultaneously shooting and casting, creates highly unreliable narratives and characterizations that cannot be consistently rationalized. These, to some viewers, may appear unacceptable and ridiculous, and many viewers may put many efforts to find a consistency in the characters who weaver all the time. However, it is exactly the subversive elements of local melodrama in terms of challenging the western uni-centrism that the east learns to adore since the colonialism. Narcissism, the object of love, and love for the other Since Siyao lost her eyesight, I observe a narcissistic regression that leads her unintentionally to paradoxically cede the object of love in order gain love of the other. This is, as many has observed, she always does, but I would like to put this in a psychoanalytic framework. The common usage of narcissism often misleads. In psychoanalysis we call someone narcissistic when the one in concerned refuses ceding the object of love or cedes just merely in return of more. Ceding concerns the formation of a symbolic subject. In the infantile stage, the infant has no distinction between the maternal/caretaker body/voice and its own. Once the infant’s basic need such as food is not fulfilled, however, there occurs alienation which makes the mother/caretaker a formidable other, a maternal other that the infant both loves and fears. In response to the unfulfilled need, but more as a response to its own need of attachment to the maternal other, the infant cedes its object of love to the maternal other. The ceding of object of love usually involves the so-called growth or learning of the infant such as control of feces or self-feeding. The ceding to a certain degree will pleases the maternal other, but at this stage the symbolic father has entered and the infant is now in the process of becoming the subject. It no longer relies solely on the maternal other for identification; the symbolic father at this plays a molding role. In the case of Syiao, I defines her as narcissism because 1) she has no scruple to give up everything for Xiaoting, which leads me to the assumption that this is indeed a very attaching love. 2) she cedes Xiaoting not due to lack of love but because she would rather Xiaoting loves her as she remaining perfect, a gesture, in other words, begging for more love. The above argument is founded on the assumption that Xiaoting can serve as Siyao’s maternal other. I would say that although Siyao has tended to play the strong, she is the one who is more unsecure internally, as we can find in many of her solos and her social attitude. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 118.169.114.149 ※ 文章網址: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/the_L_word/M.1402815669.A.3CE.html

06/15 15:12, , 1F
推!
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06/15 15:16, , 2F
splitting, i think, is Syiao's fundamental issue
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06/15 15:16, , 3F
全英文@@
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06/15 15:24, , 4F
挖塞!!!!
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06/15 15:28, , 5F
不覺得思瑤narcissism....
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06/15 15:34, , 6F
作者已經說明,精神分析裡的narcissism不是一般所謂的自戀
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06/15 15:34, , 7F
以為後面會有中譯文結果沒有XDDDDD 只好慢慢看...
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06/15 15:35, , 8F
非常同意在婷瑤和婷哲的關係裡,曉婷看似柔弱、需要被照顧
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06/15 15:35, , 9F
的一方,其實他才是兩人對母親形象的投射客體
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06/15 15:36, , 10F
很粗糙地說,誰能毫無保留的愛你?通常只有媽媽才做得到
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06/15 15:38, , 11F
我什麼時候變成英文白吃了....
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06/15 15:39, , 12F
看了,但不覺得是作者說的narcissism。
06/15 15:39, 12F

06/15 15:40, , 13F
這樣說不知道會不會好一點,嬰兒的自戀是每個人發展的必經
06/15 15:40, 13F

06/15 15:42, , 14F
之路,這是該理論的觀點
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06/15 15:43, , 15F
剩下的原PO你自己出來面對啦XDD
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06/15 15:44, , 16F
啊~英文~倒地不起~~
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06/15 15:46, , 17F
我只知道Narcissus是西方神話 水仙花的由來>"<
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06/15 15:46, , 18F
嬰兒期?口腔期?不要告訴我接下來是戀母情結…囧…佛洛
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06/15 15:46, , 19F
伊德很…算了不說了。XD
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06/15 15:47, , 20F
感謝esasin 我先道歉用英文寫 因為用中文我無法寫理論
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06/15 15:48, , 21F
不是,原PO引的精神分析理論不是平常檯面看到的那些什麼期
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06/15 15:48, , 22F
如果對精神分析有敵意看這篇依定會消化不良的 雖然我必須
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06/15 15:49, , 23F
同JAV大~佛氏論點.就~~佛心來的..但是我很認同閹割論
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06/15 15:51, , 24F
澄清我是Lacan/Zizek派 在這這派別的脈絡下自戀只是一種
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06/15 15:52, , 25F
我是很好奇+疑問 思瑤在編排上設為強者/父權 代表
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06/15 15:53, , 26F
我是指瑤婷二人關係上..不包括抓姦那一段
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06/15 15:54, , 27F
一種主體對小客體(objet petit a)的索取方式不同其他主體
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06/15 15:57, , 28F
思瑤的確是有代表symbolic order的面向 但是那樣太簡化了
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06/15 15:58, , 29F
(吃水果坐等原PO繼續)
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06/15 15:58, , 30F
如果考慮到the imaginary和the real另外兩個層次 思瑤其
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06/15 15:59, , 31F
失明,應該是Repression沒有出口發洩,呈現出身體缺失警訊
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06/15 16:00, , 32F
確如二樓說的是split的狀態 但是我檢視她整體發展還是認
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06/15 16:01, , 33F
為整體上是呈現infantile regression的狀態 也就顯現出了
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06/15 16:03, , 34F
進而帶出Identification方向討論..而且是二個人的
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06/15 16:03, , 35F
自戀傾向 我認為失明與其說是repression更多是regression
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06/15 16:04, , 36F
媽啊 這篇怎麼那麼專業@@!
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06/15 16:05, , 37F
如果要討論identification還是停留在symbolic層次 但是
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06/15 16:06, , 38F
嗯~認同
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06/15 16:06, , 39F
哭。讀中文系是我的錯
06/15 16:06, 39F
還有 114 則推文
06/15 23:38, , 154F
非常乾淨了
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06/15 23:43, , 155F
那就拜託板大了..(鞠躬
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06/15 23:45, , 156F
我已經睡了喔,不要叫我ZZZ
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06/15 23:45, , 157F
<跪> <抱一下版版的大腿> >///< 請救救蔡英文 XDDD
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06/15 23:46, , 158F
叉燒我哪裡壞惹~~ 我是認真的好嗎XDDDD
06/15 23:46, 158F

06/15 23:46, , 159F
我也曾被java傷得體無完膚啊~~~~(遠目
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06/15 23:47, , 160F
(安慰自己至少會泡茶拖地中……)
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06/15 23:48, , 161F
我也學過啊~不過早忘光XXDDD
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06/15 23:49, , 162F
先說我沒辦法喔.. 翻成中文對我來說太難了!沒辦法應付
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06/15 23:49, , 163F
長篇中文!我會死掉。
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06/15 23:50, , 164F
我只學過C++,不過都忘光了XD
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06/15 23:50, , 165F
java還好我也會泡茶拖地...還會刷廁所跟洗碗... >//<
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06/15 23:51, , 166F
有國文老師在怕什麼 (<—牽拖!大誤
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06/15 23:52, , 167F
VB,C,JAVA都學過....現在還不是只記得Hello World XDDDDD
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06/15 23:53, , 168F
沒有用就會忘啦....又不是一天到晚都要跟電腦溝通XDDDD
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06/15 23:54, , 169F
Hello World我都差點忘了XDDDDDDDDDDD
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06/16 01:10, , 170F
現在歪樓到java了?
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06/16 01:18, , 171F
從精神分析到電腦語言,這是甚麼節奏?
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06/16 01:42, , 172F
這是要逼各種專業人士站出來的意思嗎XDDD
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06/16 06:54, , 173F
到底在專業什麼!!
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06/16 07:01, , 174F
各方面都沒學過...唉...
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06/16 08:34, , 175F
嗯....先推了@@
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06/16 09:25, , 176F
我的vc,c,java超弱的...每次都不及格
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06/16 09:26, , 177F
*vb
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06/16 09:27, , 178F
還好我看的懂這篇XD
06/16 09:27, 178F

06/16 10:38, , 179F
早上帶著比較清醒的神智再看一遍總算懂了(揮汗
06/16 10:38, 179F

06/16 11:48, , 180F
tlw 版一堆強者,是怎樣啦!XD
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06/16 12:06, , 181F
推專業文 英文ok但理論無能(汗
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06/16 12:08, , 182F
其實我覺得思瑤還蠻好理解的 反而是曉婷現在變來變去 我
06/16 12:08, 182F

06/16 12:08, , 183F
看謀
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06/16 12:12, , 184F
期待con大也可以分析一下
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06/16 16:51, , 185F
曉婷變來變去...人的感情不是刀切豆腐非黑即白呀
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06/17 01:12, , 187F
谷歌上很多關於Lacan的,這裡站覺得很好..
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06/17 01:23, , 188F
然後我無法百分百認同曉婷是Pervert,又想不出解套說法
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06/17 01:27, , 189F
原/新精神分析一脈相承的特質就是解釋力太強,強到什麼都可
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06/17 01:28, , 190F
套,搞得有點"都給你講就好啦"這種感覺,不過有時理論
06/17 01:28, 190F

06/17 01:28, , 191F
只是各編不同名詞來講一樣的事情,不必太糾結XD
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06/17 01:31, , 192F
這倒是~
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06/17 17:52, , 193F
超後悔大學時不乖乖嗑原文書而選偷懶又不認真的看中譯本Q Q
06/17 17:52, 193F
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