Re: [心得]our chart 409 part two--Laurel Holloman

看板the_L_word (拉子/女女/泛同志影音)作者drunken (還是捲菸好阿)時間19年前 (2007/03/12 16:44)推噓11(11推 0噓 8→)

留言19則, 8人參與討論串2/2 (看更多)

因為.. 某人轉丟了功課來.. 所以.. 我來聽寫了.. 本體還是那位大大的.. 所以看看有沒有人願意踢她出來翻譯打的很亂.. 大家就多包含吧 XD http://www.ourchart.com/come_on_ilene Episode 4.09: Lacy Lilting Lyrics, Part Two IC: so.. ok.. so... jamie schetter said.. u know.. it has.. the first.. big scenes of the season between bette and tina... LH: yea.. it does.. umm... i remember going to jamie becuz i had this really hard time w/ it.. becuz it looks as if... tina going in and just kind of cofessing all her regret and all her sense but i knew reading it.. that it wasn't that large.. that it was a moment where the window opens and she was vulnerable w/ bette.. and it was a really tricky scene becuz it had.. i had to keep some of the cards close to my chest.. u know jamie said that "be careful" becuz she's in a relationship and u know that.. and u see it.. she's happy so it is a tricky.. tricky area.. but yea.. it just comes out... IC: do u think tina.... LH: i don't think she just went over there.. at all... IC: that's what i m going to ask... LH: to say.. what she said.. i think she went over there to talk about her problems w/ jenny and the scripts and her job problems.. and then when she got into the house.. i think that happenes a lot in relationships where u had some distance.. u had other relationship u moved into different directions.. u r sharing custody of ur children.. and u sit in that house and it's a house u've been in.. and it feels warm and.. it's.... u just wanna stay.. there's nothing like seeing ur ex's lover w/ ur children.. u know.. to see the connection like that brings it to another whole level. and when jodi signs to angelica.. and angelica signs back.. it just.. it's almost like it washes over tina. like it washes over her whole being at that point which is.. "this is more serious than i thought" IC: what does it feel like for u.. LH: becuz.. umm.. fear and sadness.. there's another element that comes into this is .. oh no... like what if.. MY daughter.. begins to love her more than me? or what if there's all these elements.. what if oh.. what happens now? like, if she is in love w/ jodi.. there's no way that there's gonna be another opportunity... what do i.. and there's that feeling of u.. ha.. u always want what u can't have.. u know.. and this looks like something i can't have.. then it's even more attractive.. i do think tina has that.... IC: especially.. and when u see someone wanting it and having it... LH: yea.. and.. it didn't work for tina.. the relationship she had chosen to have.. it didn't work.. she chose henry and then... at the time.. when she made that choice that it seems easy and less dramatic.. and she thought it's gonna be easier it's gonna be less fighting and when she actually got in it.. she just.. it didn't fit.. when she's w/ henry.. she's actually in a less traditional world.. and that makes complete sense to me.. she has her job.. she can be busy w/ her job.. she gets her space to do that.. umm.. he doesn't talk about his career all the time.. and the most important thing isn't his career or what's going on.. all of a sudden she found a place.. for the first time.. she found this relationship and it's possible that she could've found that w/ another woman.. she just happened to find that w/ henry... IC: but.. bette and tina's in such a groove.. and it was very very hard to change that.. especially it's hard to change that when u r in the relationship LH: oh yea... exactly.. i just think patterens like that r deep.. and they r deep.. they r sort of ingrained very deep but not.. i think for tina.. she needed that.. at some point.. to just be in relationship where she wasn't feeling so submissive about it. the core part of what's going on here in that scene was.. she was really lonely.. she's just really lonely.. cuz she hasn't been hanging out w/ the girls.. u know.. most ppl thinking that she's been hanging out w/ henry a lot.. but she hasn't.. she never moved in w/ him.. and when she does.. it hasn't been good.. and it's not what she wants.. so i think she's been spending a lof of time at work and a lot of time alone.. and i think when she talks about missing the company of women.. IC: there's a lot invloving in that.. LH: there's a lot invloving in that yea.. cuz i just think that there's cuz... i mean.. u don't see tina a lot at the beginning.. and i think it's easier to assume that.. "oh.. she's just w/ henry" "oh she's in this hetero-world" but.. i think it just like she sort of just trying to figure out the balance of keeping this job.. making money seeing her child. and balancing out that and dating this man who i think she finds she's just not in love w/..... IC: u think it's a matter of gay/straight? LH: i think LA is a hard city.. it's hard to find good friends.. once u find them.. u find ur true friends.. u hold on to them.. this is my experiences about being in LA.. and umm... those r ur true friends... i don't know if it's gay or straight becuz if alice all of a sudden had ended up w/ a guy or something.. alice will still be her.. u know.. one of her best friend.. so u know.. it's really about support.. a support network.. in those.. those sort of friends.. i think... is it about gay or straight w/ other ppl in the group.. and w/ what happened w/ tina oh yea.. hell yea.. i don't think it's so much for helena and for shane... IC: u really have to fight to... LH: and tina never says anything and i really think that's truly character that there were a couple moments.. that i wanna go in and say.. she needs to argue that.. she needs to say what r we doing? u fight not to be judged and now u r judging me.. and i thought that was the way to go and when we r really looking at tina.. and who she is.. there's a... more of a quietness.. there's more of a... okay.. i wanna sit w/ this for a little while.. i m not going to turn this into an argument.. and i... i actually like that.... IC: now this is interesting... LH: i like that she didn't.. i think there is a little part w/ tina.. i still think there's some guilt about everything.. and i think that's the reason why she didn't come out and say.. oh.. i m gonna fight.. she's just like this... "okay.. this is gonna be hard" and so i m not going to bring all these attention to it.. i m just gonna live my life... LH: can we talk about the pre-school thing? cuz i think it's such a great argument. i had a friend call me from New York and said.. “i can't believe i just watched that scene, i loved it! that is the fight that i have with my partner that is the exact fight. and my partner takes this stance of tina, and i take the stance of bette, like it matters! Everything!” i think tina's big fear. she says that... i can't remember what the line is.. i can't let ur phyche or psycho... disfunction.. grow up our child before she gets to kindergarten. and i think tina does has.. u know... this fear that there is so much pressure on this child to be the smartest and the best and to win at everything that automatically will be disfunctional for the child. LH: u know, i had a hard time... we r watching kit right now and i had a really hard time w/ the way that tina end up spilling the beans to kit. but i think tina doesn't mean to hurt... at all. but i think she thinks she is trying to deal from her own fear of honesty. a little bit, she is too far up there. i don't think, i mean, personally, i don't think it was, tina should have gone there, but i can understand why tina did. tina had been betrayed before. IC: but.. tina thought kit knew. LH: she thought kit knew. yes.. she thought kit knew. 就這樣.. 搞定了... 該跳出來交功課的自己出來自首吧 (茶 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 71.102.11.104

推

pillowqueen

03/12 16:46, , 1^F

03/12 16:46, 1^F

→

drunken

03/12 16:47, , 2^F

03/12 16:47, 2^F

推

uilyt

03/12 16:48, , 3^F

03/12 16:48, 3^F